"I'M ALRIGHT JACK"
Witness 4: Fehim Elshani
His testimony begins on 787 . Slobo's cross on 822
Watson: Well, the first witness had a very hungry dog it seems, the second witness sent everyone to sleep, talking about maps, and the third one simply refused to answer any questions. It's not going too well is it?
Holmes: Not too well .
Watson: What's number four like?
Holmes: Well , he's an elderly Kosovo Albanian who lives a few miles from Orahovac - in a village called Nagafc in Rahovec commune - " the village is surrounded by four villages: Krusa, Celina, Hoca e Vogel and Randobrava " ( 789 ) adjacent to the previous witness's village - that's the guy who ran away from Slobo. He worked as an accountant there up to 91, before he said he was dismissed by the Serbs.
Watson: Sounds like a dynamite witness who'll set the court ablaze with his explosive testimony. In fact, the MSM seemed to think this guy was the quil. "Serb soldiers shelled, then stormed the 100-house town of Nogavac, "herding up large numbers of people" they squealed. If that's not a knock out blow then what is........( punches air in mock celebration and sticks out tongue at Slobo )........HURRAH!
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Question: What's your profession?
Witness: Farmer for the moment.
Question: And why do you say "for the moment"? What did you do before?
Witness: I was an accountant in Rahovec local service.
Question: And why did you stop working as an accountant?
Witness: I couldn't do that because I supported the workers' strikes for Kosovo's
independence.
Question: And when did that happen?
Witness: 1991.
Question: And did you lose your job because of that?
Witness: Yes.
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He said that the KLA and Serb forces were fighting in the area from 98 to March 99.
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Question: Mr. Elshani, I'd like to draw your attention to the period from 1998 up to March
1999. Were there any fights between the KLA and the Serbian forces near your town?
Witness: There were clashes around our town between forces of the KLA and Serbian forces in several areas, in several areas of our town.
Question: And how did the fights affect the people of Nagafc and the surrounding areas?
Witness: The result was insecurity, because every day our sense of insecurity increased and the clashes of these forces led to the population migrating from one village to another, in search of safer places for the moment. On the 17th of May, I took in the first refugees from the villages of Gecaj. This was the family of Xhafer Morina, with six members of his immediate family, as refugees in my house........in 1998.
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Holmes: In fact the fighting in 98 was so serious that 250 refugees sought safety in his village ( 790 ) NATO started bombing on the morning of 25th of March. The witness said everyone was very scared. Not of huge bombs hitting them on their heads, of course not, but from the ruthless Serb forces.
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Witness: By this I mean that the Serbian forces issued a lot of communiques, saying that if they were attacked by NATO forces, they would take revenge on the territory of Kosovo , meaning on the Albanian population.
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Watson: Gotcha you all round rascal, Slobo! At last proof positive that the devilishly devil-like Serbs were trying to kick out all the heroically heroic-like Kosovo Albanians.
Holmes: Not quite. To this day neither NATO nor the ICTY have produced a single broadcast from the Serbs where they spoke of "taking their revenge" on the Kosovo Albanians. Not that a prosecution witness for the ICTY would ever lie. Why no siree. Anyway, the next day, 25 th of March, the village was awoken.
Watson: By?
Holmes: By the Serbs. On March 25th the Serbs entered the area surrounding the village so everyone left. Anyway the Serbs fired into the town, though they didn't hit his house. Neither he nor his brothers were hurt - who stayed behind in the village - nor did he see the Serbs kill anyone.
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Witness: I remained in the village but my family went outside the village. And I remained behind, but all my family went away with the other villagers.And here I'm correcting myself in case we get on the wrong track. And the whole village went to a village called the village -- to find a safer place, the place called The Spring of Cila........I stayed in my own home with my two brothers........I sent my family away for their safety, in case they were burnt or massacred, because we didn't know what would happen from that moment on.
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Witness: Gunshots from various kinds of weapons were heard from Celina, but in the meantime, Prestovc and Hoca e Vogel started burning, but you could only see the smoke and flame from them. But when they started the operation in Celina, this smoke from Celina came to our village. And of course, the burning went on and there was no stopping the gunfire, and there was a panic such as you can't describe........ At about 1400 hours, they came from Celina. The same troops came to Nagafc. And we are only divided from Celina by one hill, and I could see from my home, because I have a two-storey house with a cellar, and from the second floor I saw the Praga and the tank in front, at about 2.00 in the afternoon. Until 2.00 in the afternoon, they were burning Celina, and we saw the smoke and heard the gunshots, but we haven't got a witness to say what happened in Celina.
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Witness: I was with my two brothers, Ismail and Qerim. As I mentioned before, two brothers older than me. And when I saw the troops heading for Nagafc, they started to fire from the Praga, and I saw two shots that hit the roof of my neighbour. These were the first shots fired on Nagafc. And the second, and the second shell fell on my brother's house. And then the third, on the house of a neighbour. And then they started uninterrupted firing, which you couldn't follow. And at that moment, together with my two brothers, I took refuge in my cellar. The firing started and we couldn't see anything from the cellar where we were. We just heard the firing. But after round about one hour, the firing stopped, and I suggested to my brothers that we should go out -- we should leave the cellar, otherwise we might get burned inside, because we could see surrounding villages being burned, and we didn't expect any better for ourselves. So we got out of the cellar, and I tried to take shelter in my yard and my brothers went to their homes.
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Witness: The other villagers, together with my family, had all gone to the place called the Spring of Cilave, and there they can take refuge.........Nothing happened to either me or my brothers that day. But under circumstances I can't describe, they didn't enter my house, but they burned the houses round about, but my house was left untouched, accidentally.
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Watson: He's testifying about nothing at all it seems .
Holmes: Yes, yawn inducing stuff. Anyway, he joined the rest of the villagers.
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Witness: And at 3.00 in the morning, we left the home and went to our families at the Spring of Cilave........I would say that there may well have been more than 20.000, because all the villages roundabout, Krusha e Mahde, Nagafc, Hoca e Vogel, Celina, from Retia, Opterusa, Zocishte, Drenovc, Randobrava, and all thesevillages, they had come to this one place as the safest for the moment. And there were people from Retia as refugees there too.
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The group were surrounded by the Serb forces who fired.....
Watson: I know, don't tell me. The Serbs fired directly into the throng of villagers, slaughtering them all..... ( wags accusing finger in general direction of Slobo ) ........
Holmes: ........into the air. Those heartless Serbs. Shooting at Robin Redbreasts. The bastards.
Watson: Oh
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Witness: They weren't firing at us at the moment, but they were firing into the air.
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Now for some more hearsay - remember the previous witness was big on this - and you'll soon realise that "the bloke in the bar said so" argument is a large part of the ICTY's case.
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Witness: After panic gripped the population, they didn't know what they were doing any more. We heard from Halit Gashi, a fellow villager of mine, that Zylfi Gashi, from Hoca e Vogel, had contacted a Serbian officer, and he had told him that we must set off for Prizren and go to Albania. And then there was a movement started among the population.
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Watson: So some guy heard it from someone else and then told the witness? That's weak
Holmes: But to the MSM and ICTY it's brilliant stuff. Eat your heart out Columbo .
Now remember that a huge part of the ICTY and MSM's case against the Serbs is that they forced billions, if not zillions, of Kosovo Albanians to leave Kosovo. Mass expulsions. Now this witness says that the 20,000 or so refugees were ordered by the Serbs to head.......................back to the witness's home village.
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Witness: To make it clear, they -- otherwise they might have allowed us to go to their own villages, to Krusha e Mahde, but people had to go in the opposite direction. They might have gone to their own village of Krusha e Mahde, which is only three kilometres away, but they made us all go to Nagafc, and they put us, all of us, in Nagafc and didn't allow us to go to any other villages. So that entire population that came from other villages, they were not allowed to go to their own villages but they had to stay in Nagafc.
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Witness: After we arrived in Nagafc, this entire population that had been taking shelter at Prroni i Cilave, after a time we saw a lot of smoke, because the area where we lived is not flat but has a lot of hills, and we saw a lot of smoke rising from where the population had been, and they had burnt all the tractors and equipment and possessions that had been up there. The troops did this........On that day when they sent us to Nagafc, that was -- that was Friday, 27th of March. And we stayed in Nagafc until Friday, 2nd of April. That's one week.
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Watson: Let me get this straight. The Serb forces told the Kosovo Albanians to go BACK to their villages?
Holmes: Yup. The refugees stayed in his village for a week. The witness doesn't speak of food shortages, or water shortages or Serb maltreatment so we can very safely assume that the Serb forces fed and treated the refugees very well. He claimed that the Serbs demanded some money from the refugees
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Witness: The money was given by old man Gashi from Celina, 24.000 Deutschmarks, and Milazim Krasniqi from Hoca e Vogel, 2.000 Deutschmarks they gave to the police. But not in my presence. Please get it right: I couldn't see it because I had to stay in a house.
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Watson: Ah, it's just some more hearsay.
Holmes: Yes, It's the bloke in the bar says so argument. Powerful stuff indeed. On the night of the 1st/2nd of April something happened.
Watson: At last: answer the call of justice, Slobo.
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Witness: I was woken by two loud detonations during the night between the Thursday and Friday, at about 1.20 in the morning. At that time, I heard the gunshots.........I heard shouting from all around, from the entire village, but mostly from near in my yard, where I saw that there were gathered together the late Hysni Elshani and his family, and one was wounded in the head. And then I went to my other brother, Qerim, and there I saw Selime [phoen] Gashi, from Krusha e Madhe. And there, there was wounded Valentine, aged 9, whose leg was cut off, and who said to me, "Uncle Fehim, I cannot carry this child [as interpreted]." So I carried her and took her to the doctor, to stop the blood.
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Witness: I was woken up by two detonations, one after another, very powerful ones, and they woke me from my sleep........This was the detonation of some explosive material. It was a powerful explosion, as if from an airplane. It was a blast.
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Witness: Then I left my home and I heard noises, loud noises from everywhere. I told you: For the moment, I saw the mother, the sister, the sister-in-law, Fushnaja, who had come near him, and were very sad because he was gravely wounded, injured. They were crying over his head........At this moment, in my yard, I saw seven dead bodies and many other injured. I saw with my own eyes. But in my brother's home, there were also two other dead people, and six members of my brother's family were injured.
Question: Did you know -- do you know what caused the death or what caused them to be injured?
Witness: From that powerful blast, I told you earlier, which inflicted many injured and dead people.
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Watson: But to me that sounds like it was NATO who killed the villagers
Holmes: Yes , you are thinking what I am. It was NATO and their flying machines which killed the Kosovo Albanians. The witness all but says so too. This is so silly it's funny because the witness spoke of the bombs coming from the sky but simply refuses to follow the logic - which points to NATO - after all they're the good guys - so he goes back to the knee jerk reaction........ and blames the Serbs
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Witness:The blast came from the Serb forces.
Question: Did you see that?
Witness: I couldn't see it because I was sleeping. But it is well known, and it is well known that in there were 20.000 people, sheltering in the village.
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The account of the blast is all rather vague, so much so that the judge tries to get a clearer idea of what went on
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Question: Mr. Elshani, you were at home at that time. You were inside your home. Is it correct?
Witness: I have sworn to say only what I saw and what I have experienced.
Question : That's fine, Mr. Elshani. So you heard a blast. That's what you said. It's correct?
Witness: Yes. Not one but two explosions I heard.
Question: You didn't -- did you see what caused the blast? Did you see where the blast come from?
Your Honour, I think the witness has dealt with this subject. I mean, he's given various descriptions, and I have no need to say any more.
Judge: I think it's right. The witness has given the best account he could.
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Sums it all up. Various descriptions
Watson: So to summarise, the Serbs knew the refugees were in the village for over a week , and they were obviously feeding them, housing them etc too. Two massive explosions kill and maim many and the witness spoke of it coming from the sky. This to our genius witness points to....................the Serbs!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Holmes: I know, rather silly really. The witness talks of the injured.
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Question: After you took some people to the hospital, did you come back to your town? Did you come back to Nagafc?
Witness: After I took the wounded to the hospital where -- and unfortunately, my brother's nephew died, and they placed him in the morgue. Then I returned back to Nagafc
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Watson: So the Serbs obviously treated the injured okay for the witness doesn't say anything of maltreatment at all. In fact, the Kosovo Albanians still had their livestock alive and well . Why hadn't the Serbs eaten Daisy the cow?
Holmes: Why indeed?
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Witness: But they talked to Ukshin Hoti's father and asked whose this house -- who this house belonged to and where the head of the house was, and they said that this is Fehim Elshani's house and he had gone out to look after his livestock.
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Holmes: And now some spine-tingling horror that'll surely tingle your spine. A Serb soldier says some naughty words. The brutes.
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Witness: "Fuck your Albanian mothers. Now I will cut your throats like sheep." This person was wearing a police uniform.
Question: Can you tell what colour?
Witness: Camouflage, green and brown, like the Serbian police wear........After all these insults, he took the knife from his belt and came up to massacre me, starting with me and going on to the others, all of them: my wife, Mereme, Ukshin's sister, mother, and father.
Question: And what happened after that?
Witness: Perhaps every disaster there are exceptions, because nothing worse happened to us, and at that moment there was a band of police entered the door.
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Watson: Oh no, it's cutains for out intrepid witness. I can't bear to look........ ( looks between fingers whilst hiding behind sofa ) ........where's Doctor Who when you need him?
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Witness: At that moment, when he was near me with the knife, the other policeman came to the door and called him by name, and called to me, saying, "Uncle Fehim, do you know me?"........Another one came in, a policeman, and he too said to me - he called me Uncle Fehim - "Do you know me?" I answered him, "Yes, Irecognise you."........ Seeing this policeman that had come up to me with a knife, he then withdrew and put his knife back in his belt, and the three left the cellartogether.
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Watson: Hurrah !!!!!! Our hero lives to tell the tale. Who says God doesn't exist?!
Holmes: Now most of the Kosovo Albanians had left after the devastating ariel bombing but some Serb soldiers were there to film the destruction.
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Witness: Meanwhile, on this critical day - this is Friday, 2nd of April - I had Serbian troops in my yard, in coats and in uniforms, and they filmed the corpses and the damage. And among them there was someone from the state security called Agim Isaku, and he later said to me, "You had better get out of here, because otherwise, if youre found here tomorrow, you will be in for it."
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Watson: But that is even more evidence that it was NATO that killed these Kosovo Albanian refugees and not the Serb forces.
Holmes: It does seem so. The villagers decided to leave for Prizren
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Witness: In Prizren, I stayed at a brother-in-law of mine for two weeks, because I had to take care of the injured and bury the late Hysni, becauseI left him in the hospital, in the morgue.
Question: How did you go to Prizren and then further on?
Witness: No. I said I took -- I borrowed a tractor and I put some clothes, some covers and coverlets, because we don't know where we would go. Somebasic things. And then by tractor I went to Prizren........I didn't see anyone along the way, with the exception of some police troops that were moving. I didn't see anyone else. No one. I didn't see anyone........From Prizren, after the injured were released from hospital, I took all of them. I mounted them on my tractor and then I drove them to Albania.
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Holmes: Note that the hospital gladly accepted the injured and also that though he passed many Serb security forces none of them gave him any trouble at all. Also note that the injured were treated properly - they made full recoveries - and then he decided to take them to Albania. Note: HE DECIDED. No Serb forces expeled him.
On the way to Albania he and his passengers met a couple of Serb policemen on the road.
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Witness: I told them, "I don't have any money, because we are coming from the hospital, and I'm carrying some injured people. We are going to Albania." They let me continue on my way........when we arrived in Zhur village, we saw a policeman and a soldier there. They stopped me. They asked me to show them my passport. I showed it to them. Then the police told me, "Go on. Continue your trip to Albania," but warned me not to move outside the main road, the asphalt road, because all the ground was planted with mine........At that moment, they did not take my identity card away. They returned it back to me. And then I continued the trip to Vermica, to the border.........When we arrived on the border belt, in the border, actually, we tried to cross the border with our tractor to Albania, but the policechief at the customs told us that, "I have orders from Prizren not to allow any more people to cross the border to Albania."
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Watson: He's testifying that the Serbs WOULDN'T let them leave Kosovo. I thought the whole argument from NATO was that the Serbs forced the Kosovo Albanians to leave Kosovo.
Holmes: Yup you read it straight. They were also advised by the Serbs to keep to the road as mines had been planted nearby. Later on the witness tells a completely different story
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Slobo: But you said yourself that the head of the customs service had told you that you could not cross into Albania. This is not something that I made up; these are your words.
Witness: I don't remember to have said this. If I have, I have to correct myself.
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Watson: That's preposterous. He's making a silly billy of himself
Holmes: Slobo cross examines him on page 822. To say the guy tried NOT to answer the questions would be a slight understatement. Take a wee look, wee chap
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Slobo: How long were you on strike for?
Witness: You know. You know better, better than all of us, I think. You know the situation there.
Slobo: I am asking you to answer my question, and my question was: How long were you on strike for?
Witness: My answer is that you are the best person to know how long it lasted, and I won't make any further comments.
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Watson: My, that's not a credible performance from the guy
Holmes: Indeed it isn't. He said he went on strike and Slobo asked the guy what he did after the strike. And this is what he said. Word for word, this is his answer
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Slobo: What did you do, in fact?
Witness: Please, I don't want to go into these details. I described the situation in my statement, and I have sworn that I will speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So I don't want to go -- to divert from the main topic. I want the Bench, please, that the defendant stick only to what I have said in my statement and not deal with things that are not related to it, because I don't know what to say. I've already sworn that I will say the truth and only the truth in my statement.
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Watson: What it seems happened was he didn't go to work for about a week, and with no good justification - sick, etc - so he lost his job . In any country in the world you'd lose your job. What's he complaining about?
Holmes: What indeed
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Slobo: Do you know the regulation according to which if an employee fails to turn up for work for five consecutive days without justification, without being sick or for some other family reason, he loses his right to work, the right to his job?
Witness: I don't know.
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Watson: What do you think would happen to you if you just didn't bother turning up for a work with no explanaion, nothing. That's right. The boss's foot would be up your bum.
Holmes: Yep. But to our witness his treatment can mean only one thing , GENOCIDE. The witness's performance gets so bad even the judge has to have a wee word with the lad
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Judge: Mr. Elshani, I know it's difficult to give evidence, and it's particularly stressful in the current circumstances, but the accused is entitled to ask you some questions. If he asks you questions which aren't related to your evidence, then of course we will stop him. But you gave evidence about the circumstances in which you came to lose your job, and therefore, he is entitled to ask some questions about it. If you don't know the answer to any question, just say so. But if you can answer, then you should. And if you keep your answers fairly short, we'll get on more quickly.
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Watson: Chortle. What did he have to say about the KLA?
Holmes: He said that prior to March 99 he NEVER saw any KLA. Not one. On page 838 he made the following incredible statement
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Slobo: And where did you read about this or hear about it? Who did you hear that from, that one of the Serb leaders said they would take their revenge over the Albanians if NATO were to attack Yugoslavia?
Witness: We have followed it through television in Pristina, Belgrade, in programmes that were dictated by you. We heard them through various media outlets, and your press has also written about them. Personally, I haven't read these reports.
Slobo: That means that in the press of Serbia and over the radio and television Serbia, you heard that the Serb government or Serb leaders, or however you like to qualify this, broadcast the fact that they would take their revenge on the Albanians if NATO attacks Yugoslavia; is that it?
Witness: Yes. This is incontestable.
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Watson: That's funny. He's claiming that the Serbs were making TV broadcasts of their evil Genocidal intentions to the entire World. Snigger.
Holmes:Yes you read it straight. According to the witness, the Yugo media were broadcasting that the Serb army would wreak it's revenge on the Kosovo Albanian community. Which is a mite strange because surely, surely, surely, the ICTY, NATO, etc, would've recorded such programmes. But to this day, not a single one of these programmes has seen the light of day.
Now the prosecution didn't touch this which tells you how much of lie it is. In 98 the KLA took over the town of Orahovac for a short while, and murdered dozens of people bothe Serbs, Roma and loyalist Kosovo Albanians. This guy worked there and his village was about a couple of hours walk away. But, it seems he has no clue.
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Slobo: You live near Orahovac. Did you know that the KLA did some shooting in 1998 near Orahovac? Because you said that you were eight kilometres away from Orahovac. I thought it was seven.
Witness: I declared that I've never had anything to do with KLA, and I don't know anything about their moves. I had no contacts with them. That's why I don't know what and who provoked it, who began this first. I don't know anything.
Slobo: Do you happen to know about the event that took place in May 1998 in the immediate vicinity of your village, the village of Nogovac, along the Djakovica-Prizren road, in which the KLA attacked the traffic patrol of the police? Do you know about that or not?
Witness: No, I don't know that.
Slobo: So you don't know about that incident. Do you know about the village of Radosta, which is also near your own village. How far is Radosta away from your own village?
Witness: Over 16 or 17, something like this, kilometres away.
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Slobo: Did you hear about the fact that the KLA took over the police station and killed a
policeman in the village of Radosta in that summer of 1998?
Witness: There were no police forces concentrated in Radosta.
Slobo: I didn't ask you about any concentrated forces; I just asked about the police station and one policeman in that police station who was killed by the KLA. Did you hear about that event taking place?
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Slobo: Do you happen to know that on the 17th of July, 1998, the KLA surrounded and took control of Orahovac?
Witness: I have not seen anything. I cannot say anything since I never dealt with them, I said.
Slobo: Orahovac is the main place there. It is only seven kilometres away from your own village. And on the 17th of July, 1998, it was surrounded and taken control of by the KLA. Do you know about that or not?
Judge reprimands Slobo for confusing the witness
Slobo: Do you know about the four policemen who were killed in Orahovac?
Witness: I don't know.
Slobo: Do you know about the 45 Serbs from Orahovac and the surrounding villages that were
kidnapped, abducted, in the summer of 1998?
Witness: It seems to me that these are rather provocative questions. I already said, I have never had anything to do with these things. In my statement, I already have explained this. I have declared that I have had nothing to do with KLA, have never cooperated, and don't know anything about it. Please don't provoke me with such questions about which I cannot give an answer.
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Watson: Oh dear me. So he's surrounded by the KLA slaughtering countless numbers of civilians, of actually occupying the local large provincial town and of huge firefights with the police but he knows nothing of anything it seems. What a silly man
Holmes: Yes indeed. Now his village is very close to the Albanian border. The Serbs had built up their forces along the entire border in depth to contain the KLA and in preparation to what they thought would be a NATO invasion. There were huge battles between the KLA and Serb forces
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Slobo: Do you happen to know that on the 25th of March, up until the first days of April, it was precisely in that particular area, in that region, which the KLA calls the Patrick Operative Zone, that there was serious heavy fighting there between the JNA and the police, on the one side, and seven brigades of the KLA on the other side which were beaten?
Witness: In which place? Not in our area, there wasn't.
Slobo: It was in your area.
Witness: That is not true. It is not true.
Slobo: How far is it between your area or village, or Celina, for example, to the Albanian border, as the crow flies? Is it 15 kilometres in a straight line, would you say? Is that correct, 15 kilometres?
Witness: It is more than that.
Slobo: All right. Well, you can have a look on the map, and you'll see how far it is from the Albanian border to Celina as the crow flies, and you'll see that it is 15 kilometres. So on the 24th of March, NATO attacked Yugoslavia in that border belt, in a zone of 15 kilometres. That was the range of the zone. And it was in that Operative Zone, the Patrick Operative Zone, where the KLA fought the army, and you described that there was a lot of shooting going on. You said that you saw the army, the army that did not shoot at you but kept shooting. Was there anybody else who shot? Did you see any NATO planes? Did you see any units belongingto some other side that did some shooting?
Witness: I don't know what this question is about.
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Watson: It's getting to be embarrassing .
Holmes: Slobo points out that NATO of course would and did bomb this entire border area. The fact that the Serbs had brought up Pragas which are anti aircraft weapons which you'd have thought would've given the witness pause for thought, but no.
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Slobo: There were quite a lot of explanations given here and discussions as to something that was called Praga, the Praga facility. You indicated the Praga to us on a photograph. Do you know that this Praga device is an anti-aircraft gun, a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun?
Witness: I don't know.
Slobo: Did you happen to think -- when you saw the army taking up positions in the area, did it -- the area which is just 15 minutes -- 15 kilometres, as the crow flies, from the border, did it ever occur to you that the army had positions from NATO, defence positions in respect to NATO?
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Watson: It's pitiful stuff really.
Holmes: It doesn't get any better. He later admits he doesn't really know much about anything
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Witness: I asked you who caused those casualties. How was those massacres committed? Who committed them? I -- I don't know. How can we say that -- I don't know what to say. What kind of comment can I make to you? I don't know what kind of argument to present that is -- that is clearer than what I said. You know the answer.
Slobo: Well, you provided us with some comments. You said that you didn't see anything but that you just heard voices, the voices of soldiers and policemen. How did you know they were soldiers and policemen if you didn't actually see them?
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Watson: Well said, Slobo.
Holmes: Okay guys and gals, make sense of this this wee gem of an answer. Slobo had just pointed out that the witness had spoken that the Serb security forces had indeed helped to protect the civilians. This is his reply.
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Witness: I asked you who caused those casualties. How was those massacres committed? Who
committed them? I -- I don't know. How can we say that -- I don't know what to say. What kind of comment can I make to you? I don't know what kind of argument to present that is -- that is clearer than what I said. You know the answer.
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Watson: ( Puts on quizzical expression ) Any ideas anyone? Anyone?
Holmes: His statement flatly contradicted yesterday's witness. This guy said 20,000 refugees ( page 845 ) gathered and yesterday we heard 6,000.
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Slobo: A witness from Celina said that there were 6.000 of you. He said that yesterday. Are you sure that there were 20.000 of you?
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Watson: Oh dear me
Holmes: Some more rather one sided fireside chit chats with uncle Slobo
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Slobo: In view of the fact that there was fighting going on from the 25th of May to the first days of April, or in that whole terrain, between the army of Yugoslavia and the KLA, did you happen to think that they were taking you back to Nogovac to protect you? Did that come to mind? So that you shouldn't have to pass through territory where there were combat operations from both sides?
Witness: If that is help, if that is what you call help, what would the other be? Because down to the 25th of March, we didn't have any kind of conflict, but suddenly we had Serbian forces all around us.
Slobo: But nobody attacked you.
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Watson: That's not Genocide .
Holmes: Indeed. And some more about the bombing on the night of the first and second of April
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Slobo: You said that in the night between the 1st and 2nd of April, you were at home when you were woken up by two strong explosions at 1.20 a.m., 1.20 in the morning.
Witness: Yes , Yes.
Slobo: And you used the word "plane," "airplane," in describing, in response to a question from the Prosecution, what you heard; yes or no.
Witness: Yes.
Slobo: Therefore, the injured people that you saw had been injured in the bombing?
Witness: Yes.
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And
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Slobo: And afterwards, the police came to ask you to identify the victims of the bombing?
Witness: Yes.
Slobo: And then the comment was: "See what NATO has done"?
Witness: WiThat's what my police -- that's what your police said to me. That was one of them
who was near me, not all of them.
Slobo: Yes. But you said that it was a plane too.
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Watson: So it was NATO planes after all.
Holmes: Well, they'd admitted the devastated the entire border riegion with round the clock bombing. Way to go. He said the Serb forces were everywhere but he also said that on the 28th March he only saw 7 Serbs all day ( page 849 ).
Watson: Rather strange I must say.
Holmes: Strange indeed. He admitted that those injured had been because of planes ( NATO ) and that no Serb forces stopped him from going to Prizren to seek help for the injured ( page 852 ). On page 858 he gives the following " this-guys-on-something-illegal " statement.
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Witness: In my presence -- since this is not relevant to my statement, I'm telling you that when I was in Prizren, I stayed there illegally. I know of cases when Serb police forces have entered from one home to another, from one house to another, to see whether they had any refugees from Prizren territory. And these people, if they have found people in these houses in Prizren, they had driven them out and escorted them to Albania, where the owner, they have imprisoned him because he has taken guests in an illegal way. I don't know if I need to make any comments or if this is the accurate answer. So there was no other place for us to go other than to Albania. I think this was what the Serb government wanted us to do.
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Holmes: Any ideas?
Watson: Nope, I'm completely gob smacked in a flummoxed kindaway.
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Slobo: Very well. In Zhur, a policeman and a soldier, as you said, warned you not to leave the asphalt road because the ground around there was mined and they didn't want you to step on one. Did you consider their warning to be a good-natured one and an official?
Witness: I don't know how to answer this question, but probably they have ordered -- taken orders from you so that we could cross the border safe. That's why they wanted to protect us.
Slobo: So the head of the customs service told you that you were not allowed to cross into
Albania. Then how did they let you cross into Albania after all
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Some more, ahem, awful answers to simple questions.
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Slobo: Yesterday's witness said that his documents were not taken away from him, and you're saying that your ID documents were taken away from you. Do you know why they took documents from some people but not from the others?
WItness: You know better than anyone else, I think.
Slobo: Yes or no, or do you not know?
Witness: Please, I told you. You know better than anyone else why.
Slobo: I asked you a question.
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Slobo points out the many discrepencies in our witness's account
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Slobo: You said a bit ago that, at the border, a policeman told you you couldn't cross into Albania and that you should go back to Prizren; and prior to that, you said that your stay in Prizren was an illegal one, you stayed there illegally, and that anybody who would be found there would be expelled and the owner of the house in which they were found would be arrested, whereas now you're saying that the policeman in fact told you to go back to Prizren. Do you think that this is somewhat contradictory?
Witness: No.
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But our witness finds nothing amiss.
Watson: Snigger )
Holmes: And in the end ( page 865 ), he was forced to admit that after being dismissed from his job he still got a full pension.
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Slobo: In view of the fact that you said that you had been dismissed, based on the information that I received, you are a regular retiree and receive full retirement benefits, and you have retired in 1991, have been retired since then ?
Witness waffles
Slobo: I suggest that the witness answer the question: Did he retire with full retirement pension?
Witness waffles
Slobo: It is one thing to be dismissed from work and quite another to go into retirement with full retirement pension. The first option indicates that there has been some harassment or ill-treatment, and the other one indicates that nothing improper was done. Therefore, did you receive your retirement pension, a full one, in 1991, or you did not?
Witness: Please, in that I was dismissed from my job, I went through another procedure so that I could enjoy benefits
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Watson: But to this witness, it all smacks of GENOCIDE?
Holmes: So it would seem. Oh, did I mention that his son was a member of the KLA?
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Question: My next question is the following: Your son was linked with the KLA, although you
never meddled in that, you never interfered; is that right?
Witness: It's true. I was never involved. My son was involved. But this was beyond my knowledge. I didn't have any part in it.
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Watson: So are you telling that
- His son was a member of the KLA
- Although he didn't bother turning up for work in the early 90's for almost one week - he was doing a lie-in in bed - the Serb authorities still gave him a full pension , something most companies would certainly not do
- He was from a very small village but he claimed to have absolutely no idea of the massive clashes between the KLA and the Serb forces
- The fighting between the KLA and Serb police was so bad in 98 that 250 refugees moved into this wee hamlet
- He didn't see the Serbs kill anyone
- When he took some injured villagers to the local Serb hospital they were well treated and made a full recovery . This happened twice
- For almost a whole week many 1,000's of locals were holed up in his village . The whole time there were no problems: i.e. they were fed , had water , weren't maltreated by the Serb forces in the area
- When he left for Albania the Serb forces told him to keep to the road , for his safety as there were many mines in the fields
- He claimed that villagers had to give money to the Serbs but admitted this was merely hearsay
- The enourmous explosions on the night of the second was obviously from NATO planes . He all but admitted this himself and all the evidence strongly suggests this to te the case
- He feigned ignorance about local knowledge that any villager would surely know about.
- His testimony was so evasive that even the judges had to step in.
- He made the fabulously insane claim that Serb programmes were broadcasted where they boasted of destroying the Kosovo Albanians , yet to this day , none have been seen or produced by the MSM / NATO
- At no time did the Serbs tell him to leave Kosovo in fact on two occasions they ordered his group to go back to their village
Holmes and Watson: Scooby Dooby Doooooooooo. Arf
